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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:21 pm 
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From the Birmingham Mail:

Lap dancing crackdown in Birmingham as councillors call for 12 club cap

'Council bosses want to limit the number of lap dancing clubs in Birmingham to stop the city turning into “another Soho”.

The proposal would see the number of adults-only establishments capped at 12 – three more than the current nine.

Coun Majid Mahmood (Lab, Springfield) said he feared Birmingham would develop a reputation for sleaze to rival that of London’s Soho unless something was done.

“It’s about time we limited the number of sexual entertainment venues in this city,” he told a meeting of the city council’s licensing and public protection committee
“I would hate to see Birmingham turning into another Soho.”

But some councillors said they feared a lap dance limit in Birmingham could see customers lose out as venues could hike their prices due to a lack of competition from rivals.

Coun Habib Rehman (Lab, Springfield), added: “We need to ensure what we propose does not flout competition laws.”

The restriction idea will now form part of a ten-week consultation on the council’s sexual entertainment venue policy.

First introduced two years ago, it governs how lap dancing clubs are licensed and run in Birmingham.

The consultation will also address concerns about the promotional methods used by adults-only venues after councillors last year called for a ban on the use of pornographic images on their websites.

Chris Neville, head of licensing, said: “This is an opportunity to deal with those issues.”

The consultation, due to start next month, will ask members of the public to express their views through the council’s website. (NB: italics are mine - Brute)

Lap dance clubs, police and politicians will also be asked to take part. A report on the consultation will be put before the committee in April.'


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:56 pm 
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I don't think Birmingham has ever had 12 clubs open at once in the centre so I can't see the change having much effect. The council there recognise that with all the business exibitions and confrences they have some strip venues are a good thing, maybe a cap that will never be reached is to keep the local fem nazis quiet.

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Only issue is if there is a cap even of 12 the principal is in place. What if in 2 years they change their minds about the number? Will they need to consult if they already have a cap in place? If they decide in 2 years the policy is zero venues, it would be much harder for the clubs as a cap was in place.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:35 pm 
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I agree with Tyke's perspective. A cap of 12 is quite politically smart. It gives the politicians the opportunity to give out the mood music of restricting numbers of venues, thus neutralising the anti's campaigning, when in reality the cap is above what the market is likely to bear. What the Council is likely really interested in is raking in the licensing fees.

Contrast this with the Tower Hamlets approach of talking zero tolerance but in the end not actually adopting any proposal so having on paper one of the most lax licensing regime in the country.

A future administration can always take a different approach but would need to back it up with reasoned evidence, this could include further public consultation, but remembering that moral grounds are out.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:01 am 
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tonester72 wrote:
A cap of 12 is quite politically smart. It gives the politicians the opportunity to give out the mood music of restricting numbers of venues, thus neutralising the anti's campaigning, when in reality the cap is above what the market is likely to bear.


Yes, and unlike the situation in Hackney, it allows a little 'headroom' for new venues.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:31 pm 
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Ok, it's yet another

article

about opposition to a lap-dancing club opening.

But note:

"The West Midlands Police consider such venues to be low crime risk operations and so did not oppose the proposal."

"Perhaps more significant are the concerns raised by various women’s groups who argue that such clubs create a more dangerous environment for the exploitation of women, as well as contributing to the general over sexualisation of women in consumer culture."

Not for the first time I wonder quite how many women these groups represent. There's an old post

here

from Brute about one, Maverick, in Reading, and I understand that its membership is tiny.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:57 pm 
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Victor23 wrote:
"Perhaps more significant are the concerns raised by various women’s groups who argue that such clubs create a more dangerous environment for the exploitation of women, as well as contributing to the general over sexualisation of women in consumer culture."



Ah yes, the tired old 'ex-ploi-tat-ion of wo-myn' and 'sex-ual-i-sat-ion' memes are recycled once again by the radfems! Orwell's sheep are alive, well and bleating...


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venus100 wrote:
Only issue is if there is a cap even of 12 the principal is in place. What if in 2 years they change their minds about the number? Will they need to consult if they already have a cap in place? If they decide in 2 years the policy is zero venues, it would be much harder for the clubs as a cap was in place.


Well, less than a year later, it appears that they have changed their minds:

Birmingham lap dancing clubs: Eight is enough, say city councillors (Birmingham Mail, 16/10/14)


Quote from the article:

"Public consultation over the policy has consistently shown that a majority of residents and businesses support a total ban on strip clubs - but defenders of the industry say gentlemen’s clubs are a key part of Birmingham’s business conference offer."


I'd be interested to discover the format the consultation took, how it was worded, and the breakdown of the results...


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:57 pm 
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It transpires that a grand total of 52 people responded to Birmingham City Council's SEV consultation, many of whom were the 'usual suspects' making the standard debunked claims re rape and trafficking:

http://strippingtheillusion.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/not-enough-even-at-two-decimal-places.html


For further information, here's a link to the public webcast of the meeting of Birmingham City Council's Licensing and Public Protection Committee dated the 15/10/14:

http://www.birmingham.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/150465


The discussion of the SEV Policy begins at 00:58:12 and concludes at 01:44:29.


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Another club proposed


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Victor23 wrote:


The application for a lapdance club doesn't seem to have been successful. There is a nightclub called HNDRX on the site now.

local newspaper report


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